My daughter has been making me crazy. She's got no interest in learning how to read or write. I don't know how to help her develop an interest. I've tried telling her that when she learns to write we can write letters and stories to send to Daddy. I've tried telling her that when she learns to read, she can read stories to the baby, since she's been on and off about wanting to do everything for him. She loves having me read her books. I've even tried to have her help me read books, but there's no interest. She doesn't want anything to do with anything that involves letters, the alphabet, reading, and writing. I know she can recognize her letters, or at least some of them, but she also has a tendency to pretend she doesn't know things I know very well she does know. I just don't know how to help her with that. I'm starting to feel like a bit of a failure because my child is four and doesn't even know the alphabet! I just don't know what to do. Any ideas?
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Tue, December 18, 2007 - 6:34 AMI wouldnt sweat it too much. Every child learns at a different rate. Public schools try and force learning upon our youths, telling them its time to read and write when they may not be ready. I have a 6 year old, and she experiences a lot of anxiety because she is being pressured to read at her teachers pace. Give your daughter time, and if she practices some while she is 4 and 5, then by the time she is 6 and 7 reading will be easier and fun. My 7 year old did not like reading and writing when she didnt know how. It was challenging for her and she wanted to give up. But when it finally clicked she took off and now is writing stories and reading books left and right. It seems like your daughter is just like many other children her age, she is probably more interested in playing. This is not a bad thing because she is likely using her imagination, which goes hand in hand with story telling. Give her time and she will eventually enjoy reading and writing, especially if she sees the fire in you. Much love and good luck :)
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Tue, December 18, 2007 - 10:10 AMConsider the flip side of this--perhaps you are making her a little crazy about this with your anxiety? If you poke around on some of the unschooling websites out there where children are allowed to learn to read and write at their own pace you'll find that the age range varies WIDELY, but that they all do get it when, and only when they are ready for it. Consider taking the pressure off of her and off of yoursel and just let both of you enjoy your time together. What if you have her make up stories and tell them to you and you can write them down for her dad? There's no reason why she really should know her alphabet or be raring to read at this age. Some children, when left to their own time table, won't read until nine or ten. And then, from the stories I've heard, boom, they are off and running with things like War and Peace. From reading your other posts I remember that you have a lot on your plate already, seems like this is one thing you could just let go of and give both you and your daughter permission to enjoy your time together. Quite often I think chldren are unhappy about not being able to read because they've been told so often that they should be able to, it's one of those vicious cycle things. -
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Sat, December 29, 2007 - 9:48 AMIt's good to know someone thinks this isn't a problem. I think most of my problem with her lack of interest in reading right now is the pressure I'm getting from other people. I mean, what does that say about me as a parent? She didn't potty train until 4. She's still doesn't know her alphabet and she's 4 now! She hasn't said anything profound by age two, like using words such as precipitation, dysfunctional, hedonistic, or other such things. Apparently my other friends children were telling them things like gravity works and how fog was made at age two as well. Honestly, I think these kids were just parroting back things their parents drilled in their head. I mean, you tell a child something often enough and they're going to start saying it on their own. It makes the parents look great because their kids are so smart, but do they really understand? I'm guessing not.
Corde has thankfully started to show some interest. She got a Leap Pad Read and Write for Christmas and has been all about writing her letters and numbers as part of the games. I think that's pretty great. At least she shows some interest if it's all for fun and games. And oddly enough she likes some of those workbook things. My aunt got her some workbooks for Christmas and she liked doing those because they have coloring and puzzles. I don't think it's enough to get her to read, but it's at least something she enjoys.
Obviously she's got to be doing okay. She knows how plants grow. She kind of understands how weather works, or has a basic understanding. She's got a good start on a lot of things relating to science and math. I just wish I'd stop getting pressure because she doesn't know how to read yet! Apparently this is normal, so why all the pressure? Especially since that really is the kind of kid she is. She does things when she's ready, then takes off like a bolt. -
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Sat, December 29, 2007 - 6:36 PMshe's only four?? Relax Ma!! when i first read i was thinking she was six or seven! i don't know any four year old that does know the alphabet. -
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Sun, December 30, 2007 - 12:50 PMThere are lots of people who don't think this is a problem! Check out this website--it brought me a lot of amazing ideas and a lot of relief: www.joyfullyrejoycing.com/unsch...n.html
Check out the side bars, tons of great topics!
And here's a great unschooling resource about children learning to read:
sandradodd.com/reading
To my way of thinking, people who are putting pressure on you about your four year old learning to read already have completely lost sight of what childhood is and what learning is. Sure, as you said, you can cram this stuff into their heads, but why? What's the advantage of her knowing how to read at four and being miserable in the process vs. her perhaps not deciding to read until she's maybe even eight or nine, but then enjoying every minute of it?
What works for me when I start stressing about milestone type things is to ask myself why I think my son needs to be doing X, Y or Z, what is my own anxiety about it and why? When I start to examine that kind of thing I generally find that he is just fine but it's me who needs some adjustment. For instance, I got kind of freaked out when he didn't start talking early. Someone else here posted about how many words her boy was saying and mine, when he reached that age, had very few in comparison. I find that comparing my kid to anyone else's is always a disaster for me and I need to not do it. So I just stopped thinking about it, put it out of my head altogether. He clearly understood language and was communicating really well with gestures and sounds. And then about a week ago he just started spouting words like giraffe and gorrilla, which was pretty exciting. Often times I find that if I take my stress and thoughts off of something like that it will happen as soon as i let it go.
Anyway, if you have time do check out those sights, I think they would bring you a lot of relief and in a way some 'permission' to be the mom you want to be. -
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Mon, January 7, 2008 - 3:38 PMThanks for those links! It's good to know that there are other people who see no problem with my child learning as she learns. I've just paged through the first one a bit and already I feel a little bit better. I guess I hadn't had as great a concept of unschooling as I thought I'd had. I'm okay with it on most concepts, but reading and writing were always something that escaped me.
As for the competition thing, I completely get that. I was at the library with Corde just after she'd started talking. She was almost three. Some of that was situational causing her not to want to talk, but a lot of that was just her not wanting to. While I was there, there was another little girl who was about two years old. Not only was she speaking clearly, but she was using words like "dysfunctional", "pessimistic", and "exotic" in proper context. I had to work hard to hide from Corde that I really wanted to leave because I didn't want the father of that girl judging my daughter because it was a challenge just to discern "I want to go play" from her mouth for most people who didn't know her.
Corde didn't potty train until she was four either. She had no interest. I always felt really awkward asking where I could change my four-year-old's diaper at over friend's houses because they would look down on both of us and would tell her that she was a big girl and had to use the potty. All that ever did was make her even less likely to use anything but a diaper when I got home.
I guess I'd just never stopped to think that if it weren't for school, being able to do your ABCs, read, and write by the time entered kindergarten might not be normal. I so need to find a group of home schooling or unschooling parents near me so that I don't feel like such an oddity all the time! It'd be nice to have some support in person too. It's hard standing against the tides... -
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Wed, January 30, 2008 - 5:42 PMDorothy and Raymond(i think) Moore are sometimes referred to as the grandparents of homeschool. They are loud, bold and old advocates for later reading and not bringing school to home school.... They wrote better late then early and succesful homeschooling. They are retired university teachers and suggest not introducing writing till ages 8 to 10 or older for some kids... its just not necessary and sometimes thwarts their abilities to read well and enjoy it.
Anyways they offer alot of info supporting late reading.
My son is 7 and can read short words, but doesn't like to. They told me in school he was 3 years behind which would make him a"kindergardener" He's super intelligent actually. I'm glad I'm writing this. I can see clearly how dogmatic public school really can be. We don't need to classify our homeschoolers. I'm bringing him home......but I need to see what I can do about how annoyed I am by his high energy...and aggressiveness.... He's great and all but i'M SO OFTEN IN A WHIRLWIND WITH PARENTS inlaws -HUSBAND myself child I don't know what is best really
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Sun, January 6, 2008 - 9:07 AMmost kids aren't developmentally ready to read or write (beyond name or other really simple basic things) until they've lost a tooth or two.... not a hard & fast rule, but gives you an idea of time line. -
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Mon, January 7, 2008 - 3:44 PMI think this just once again goes towards my concept of "the evils of 'conventional' schools"...from what I've seen here, if you don't know how to read by the time you enter Kindergarten, you're considered behind. I remember nannying a Kindergarten kid when I was back home in Mass and he was expected to read and write on his own in English and read in Spanish with assistance. I know with unschooling, you don't have to compete with the school systems, but it's sometimes so hard because almost everyone in my life thinks I'm making the wrong decision by not putting my daughter in school. Those who have no problems with homeschooling definitely think she needs to be working on her ABCs and writing because she'll be behind the other kids her own age. I see nothing wrong with that, but I have a hard time sticking with it when everyone else feels so differently. -
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Tue, January 8, 2008 - 12:24 PMHomeschooling and unschooling are often two very different things. If you do seek out a group of homeschoolers, you might find that they apply even more pressure about getting your daughter to read as in some cases for homeschoolers they are doing just that--school at home--and need to prove they can achieve the same results as conventional schools. This isn't always true, but just saying to know it's possible. Unschooling, as I've come to understand it, is not about results at all.
Unschooling is about trusting your kids and honoring their individual learning process. Radical unschooling as about living your whole life that way, trusting your children to make choices in their lives even including foods and bed times and baths, things that are often a source of stress for many parents.
This will make you feel isolated from mainstream parents and it will make it hard to find support sometimes but there are amazing online communities. I'll post some links later. -
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Wed, January 9, 2008 - 6:16 PMI've already realized that I've done some of the same things just by looking over that site. Corde gets unrestricted television. She went an entire week where she would only eat things that were orange and had a particular texture. I won't change my whole family's meal plan for her, but she doesn't have to eat what I cook for dinner and I'm not going to let her go hungry. I've learned from my own cravings that maybe she does know more about what she needs in her diet than I do...though that day she wanted nothing but Doritos made me question my judgment on that a bit. For the most part, that's how I've been raising my children from day one of each of their births. I just never really knew people in the real world raised their kids that way. I thought I was being strange and unusual, but I guess I'm obviously not. I honestly don't know what I'd do without a support group like this because, I'll tell you, the rest of the world thinks I'm nuts!
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Sun, January 6, 2008 - 7:13 PMI agree with what others are saying...My son is 4 and we are not even close to reading. He is just not into it yet.
I am apart of a local group of homeschoolers and there is a family whose child did not start to read until age 10. By the age of 12 he was an avid reader, reading way beyond his age level. Now in college he is top of his class She believes that it was because she never pushed it at all. She does not even introduce things unless her children express interest in it first.
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Wed, January 9, 2008 - 1:50 PMHi Marlfox, I think you are in Texas so you might try looking through this list of resources. Some are homeschoolers, some are unschoolers, it's pretty clear from the titles. I think these are mostly discussion lists, but I can tell you I LOVE my unschooling discussion lists. I belong to the Always Unschooled list. Will try to come back with a link to that later, my computer time is in tiny increments just now as we have teething going on.
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Wed, January 9, 2008 - 6:20 PMSome of those groups are even based up semi-close to me! I don't know where most of everything in Texas is. It'll be worth looking into. I'm not even sure how I fond unschooling anymore (or if it just found me somehow) but somehow it all just fits. Why didn't I find this four years ago when I was thinking about the choices to make with Corde?!?
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