long-time unschooling advocate, new mommy

topic posted Thu, March 8, 2007 - 6:13 PM by  mistress
hi all!

i can't believe it took me until now to find this tribe! you all seem wonderful.

i am an english teacher, and i regularly teach john gatto's book, "dumbing us down: the hidden curriculum of compulsory schooling," a book i'm sure many of you are familiar with. now that i'm going to be a mommy, i'll have to actually practice what i preach.

i'm excited to get to know you all, and convince those of you with very young children or who are still expecting to join me in a new, alternative homeschooling/daycare/babysitting adventure. when i figure out that that's going to look like, anyway.
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mistress
SF Bay Area
  • Re: long-time unschooling advocate, new mommy

    Wed, March 14, 2007 - 1:44 PM
    hi mistress, and others
    it just occured to me to search for home/un schooling too
    my son is about to turn one, and all of a sudden i feel like i need to start planning, only 4 years to do all the research to get me started
    i was a preschool for 6 years before becoming a mom
    and i always dreamed of starting some kind of co-op school
    hoping this tribe will help me along this journey
    • Re: long-time unschooling advocate, new mommy

      Thu, March 15, 2007 - 3:45 PM
      elzza-

      looks like we should have a conversation!

      hopefully others will want to, too.

      -stina
      • Re: long-time unschooling advocate, new mommy

        Sat, March 17, 2007 - 9:11 PM
        Hello,

        I've been reading john holt's book "Teach Your Own" and doing alot of thinking about my 15 month old's education. Both of you had other posts led me here too. I think It will be very encouraging to be here. Thanks!
        • Rae
          Rae
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          Re: long-time unschooling advocate, new mommy

          Tue, March 20, 2007 - 8:41 AM
          Hello,

          My son just turned 3 and I very recently started researching Home Schooling / Unschooling / Learning through life experiences etc. I am glad to have found this group.

          Erin - what do you think about Teach Your Own? I am thinking of reading it - would you recommend it?

          Anyone else have books or reference to recommend?

          Rae
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            Wed, March 21, 2007 - 9:26 AM
            Hi, Sego Lily School in Utah, a Sudbury Modell School, has published a book called: "Trusting Children". It is based on self-initiated learning.
            The site: www.segolilyschool.org
            • Re: long-time unschooling advocate, new mommy

              Wed, March 21, 2007 - 10:11 AM
              Petra you link isn't working for me.

              Well Hi, everyone! I have been teaching my kids since birth. I have twins they are 7 now and I also have a three year old.

              I have had difficultly transforming into unschooling and understanding what it means.

              For the most part we have always been child led. Like when they were four and got into anatomy and learned an incrediable amount about that. I just end up feeling presured to do something with them so they don't miss the basics. I like the title Trusting Children that is what I need to learn to do. I want to feel more comfortable in our relationship and interactions in general.

              I am really just unsure how to go about letting go of stuff I feel like if I don't have boundaries things will be Chaotic. I just don't know how to stop telling them what to do and I really want to have them be Self Controled. I need to also find a way to get the message of unschooling and the parenting style across to my husband as well. I think unless we are united on how to go about it we will have problems.

              Overall we have naturally been attached parenting and so forth and have been child led with our learning. I am always aware of the kids and what they are saying and what seems to be really magnified for them to learn and try to provide them with as much resources as I can to reach their goals.

              It can be hard to find time to fufill my own needs or even know what it is I need when you have multipul kids and have been so wraped up in doing everything for them you can get to feeling burnt out eventually.
              • Rae
                Rae
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                Wed, March 21, 2007 - 10:27 AM
                Wow Soul - you have your hands full!

                I struggle with getting my own needs met and I only have one child demanding my attention.

                So I am curious Soul do you follow a structured curriculum right now for the 7 year olds? or do you self direct?
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                  Thu, March 22, 2007 - 9:51 AM
                  NO I have never used a curriculum. I recreate and redirect every week just about. I use the library as a resource as well as the internet. We have a ton of educational videos through Cosmeo which is discoverkids we get over 4000 education videos like national geographic type stuff. We also have a lot of national geographic films wil more than likely get more. They really respond well to media so I have been taking full advantage of that. They also play Zoo tycoone a lot and have learned a lot from that. My eldist daughter is really into stories and reads at a third grade or above level. She also likes to write her own stories. My son is less intrested in that so I try to make sure to find books that appeal to him like Captian Underpants and give him things to look foward to for reach a goal I have set for him. He is insanely good at designing his own lego ships they are out of this world. I also have both of them write everyday and we try to do math with them in the week. They really supprize me all the time I sit there thinking they don't get it then they are adding millions together and multipling. They really enjoy all the subjects I just do my best to not make learning feel forced and have it just be part of our lives. I just feeel at this early point I want to make sure that a foundations is set. We found a lot of worksheets for all subjects incuding spanish so we will start using them as well. We are teaching them Spanish they watch a lot of thier movies in spanish during the week then on the weekend we put them in english. Of course durring the week they are watching things in english its just certain movies they are not allowed to watch in english in the week. We are also going to use audio when we are in the car at the moment we are listening to spanish learning tapes we also may listen to history and stuff. I actually enjoy all the stuff we do would like to do more hands on with them.
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                    Re: long-time unschooling advocate, new mommy

                    Thu, September 27, 2007 - 8:47 PM
                    soul...
                    do you have a website for Cosmeo (what is that) & discover kids where you have acquired these educational resources? My son will be four soon... any suggestions on media/ edu. videos for his age group? i was thinking yesterday i would like to find a good source and then read your post... how did you teach the twins about anatomy when they were four? i am unschooling my only kid and feel i need to introduce more to him. he mostly loves animals. he pretends to be a new animal everyday. if i call his name, he'll say no i am turtle or alligator or blah, blah... how have you afforded over 4000 videos... do you download them??
          • Re: long-time unschooling advocate, new mommy

            Wed, March 21, 2007 - 4:22 PM
            Rae,

            I realy like the book and feel that the recent additions of the editor are key to our time; it was written in the early 80's and talks alot about the 70's. But I feel like it has affirmed alot of what I already beleive in with study's and what not.
            I'm just looking in to home schooling or unschooling my self and feel this book is very helpful. It's also good to hear from folks out there thinking the same way.
            erin
            • Rae
              Rae
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              Re: long-time unschooling advocate, new mommy

              Thu, March 22, 2007 - 8:28 AM
              Thanks Erin,

              I ordered the book from Amazon. I also ordered "The unschooling handbook" - by Mary Griffith. It was rather inexpensive and I thought it might give some additional information. I am trying to immerse myself in this topic.

              So thanks again for the reference. I will post again once I get the books and start reading.

              :)

              Rae
  • Re: long-time unschooling advocate, new mommy

    Wed, April 18, 2007 - 12:22 PM
    Hi, I am new to this tribe, a new mom with an eight month old. We have talked a lot about the schooling situation and I am interested in unschooling, very much like the concept but here is my dilemma: we live in the middle of nowhere. Our child was the first born in our community in eight years. There is a tiny elementary school here with about ten students that come from miles and miles around. Sadly, the school is very conventional but my worry is this--if my son doesn't go to school, he will almost never have access to other children. I think socializing with other children is super important and have been thinking a lot about sending him to school just for this reason and tending to his actual education myself.

    For those who are unschooling, how do you make sure your kids get enough social interaction with other kids? I guess if you're in teh Bay Area it's probably a lot easier. I have friends there whose kids are in fabulous play groups, etc. Here there is actually one other baby recently born, but I don't know if her parents will hang around. When my son first met this baby he went crazy over her. It was the first baby he had ever seen up close.

    Anyway, any thoughts appreciated.
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      Mon, June 11, 2007 - 2:14 PM
      Hi y'all. I haven't checked in in a while. So good to see that there is so much interest in unschooling.

      Thanks for the book recommendations. I'll have to check those out. I have one on the Sudbury School called Free at Last and one called The Teenage Liberation Handbook. Haven't read either in full, but will report back when I've done so.

      Maybe one way we could go about organizing our thoughts on unschooling and meeting each other is to have a meeting or a regular meeting/book group? Would anyone be interested in this? My little one's not even out yet, but it's never too early probably to be thinking about how we're going to pull our unschooling efforts off, right?
  • Re: long-time unschooling advocate, new mommy

    Sun, September 30, 2007 - 10:46 AM
    HI All,

    I have a 6 yr. old and 7 yr old (daughters), we struggle mightilly with the public school system, yet we lack the finances to do anything different right now. My partner is in grad school and working, and I work full time too. How do you manage it?
    • Rae
      Rae
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      Re: long-time unschooling advocate, new mommy

      Mon, October 8, 2007 - 7:49 AM
      Hello Eric!

      I pushed my employer to let me work from home 99% of the time. It was hard for them to understand at first, but now that they see I can still do my work and be at home they are okay with it.

      I have been working from home now for almost a year and the changes in my son are amazing (he is almost 4).

      There are ways to be with our kids and still work...we just need to start standing up for our rights as people and not slaves to our employers!!!! (okay off my soap box).

      Welcome!

      :)

      Rae
      • Re: long-time unschooling advocate, new mommy

        Thu, October 11, 2007 - 12:34 PM
        Hi Rae,

        Thanks for your response. I agree totally that we need to be there for our kids, and we were able to do that with ours. My struggle right now is with the public school system and affordable alternatives.
        Any thoughts?
        Eric
        • Re: long-time unschooling advocate, new mommy

          Thu, October 11, 2007 - 4:47 PM
          Since I don't really know anything about your situation, I didn't chime in before but since you asked twice I couldn't resist! You have probably done this, but you might just try sitting down and looking at how much you are both actually earning, how much you are spending on work related things (like transportation, lattes, take out food cause you're so tired from working that you can't cook, work clothes, etc.) and think about whether you might be able to live on one income if you had to (what if one of you lost a job, what would you do?). If you are thinking of trying to pay tuition at a private school then unless you're both making high level professional salaries, it seems like you might as well pare down your working hours and give unschooling a try. Private school is hugely expensive and at least from my perspective and what I'm learning about unschooling, can't compare in overall benefit to what unschooling offers the whole family. I wish more long time unschoolers posted here so you could here this from someone with more experience. If you are interested in hearing from other people, there are a lot of wonderful unschooling email lists that are more active than this tribe. My favorite is alwaysunschooled at yahoo groups.

          Anyway, can you tag team work schedules so one works days and one nights? Can either of you work from home? Is your partner close to finishing school? At that point is there the potential for a one income family? Maybe the thought of one working days and one nights and all that seems overwhelming, but if you're really struggling with public school and its effects on your children, think if you subtracted that from your lives, would not the account balance in your energy bank skyrocket? No struggles over bedtimes, no struggles over waking up, getting dressed, getting out of the house, homework, pent up frustrations from school, unreleased boredom, etc. Your children seem like the perfect ages to give this a try, though I don't know anything about them and their energy levels or needs. But 6 and 7 is when they are about starting to be able to do a lot of things on their own (that is not need to be constantly supervised, not that they can drive down to the minimart for a snack). Have some faith that if you're all in this together, you can make it work. Sometimes it's just the voice of fear whispering in your ear telling you that this won't work, you must have two incomes, the children need too much supervision and all these things.

          In your case these things might actually be true, I don't know, but these are the thoughts that occurred to me. If you want to make this happen for your family I'm hoping you can find a way. Good luck to you!

          (It's funny to me to go back and read the beginning of this thread. Since I first posted here I have studied and read and talked about unschooling so much and I have learned so much. I feel so excited about parenting and family life now I can not even put it into words.)
          • Re: long-time unschooling advocate, new mommy

            Thu, October 11, 2007 - 4:55 PM
            P.S. I am a stay at home mama. My husband is a disabled vet and we live on his pension. It's not much, we only have one car and it's old, we buy our clothes at thrift stores, we live int he middle of nowhere so we rarely go out to eat and never go to the movies. When Sam gets older and we need more income (if we do) to help him explore the things he wants to learn about, I can do freelance writing from home (that's what I did prebaby). We're very lucky, but we also live on the edge of poverty and have chosen to do so because of what we'd have to sacrifice to do things differently. We don't have a retirement fund or anything like that, no savings. We're trusting that today is so much more important than some unseen future we could spend our todays anticipating.
        • Rae
          Rae
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          Re: long-time unschooling advocate, new mommy

          Fri, October 12, 2007 - 7:31 AM
          Sorry Eric - I may not have understood your question. I though you were wondering how we work and teach our kids with out public school.

          Are you looking for alternative schooling information, i.e. private schools etc that are affordable?

          I am planning to homeschool/unschool my son. Teaching him myself unless he chooses different once he gets older. I am creating my own "homegrown" plan and sordive curriculum. Where I live we have to adhere to some rules that the school superintendent puts on us so I have to meet some basic requirements there, but otherwise I am letting freedom guide us.

          There are some small private schools that are rather inexpensive out here (2,000 per year or so). Which may be out of the affordable range for some folks. They are okay - but most are Religious based and not exactly what I am looking for.

          Anyhow - hope that helps somehow?

          Rae